Does this include the Societys religious literature that has been disseminating error for over 130 years?
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"I'll Take Your Literature If You Take Mine"
by Calebs Airplane inour kingdom ministry.
september 2013. week starting september 23.
5 min:"i'll take your literature if you take mine" discussion.
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@Simon..
I have been reading your comments and you speak with the authority of someone that was actually there and witnessed everything first hand. You speak of 'evidence' and 'facts' with the same surety and confidence that the society does. Did you learnt this habit from them I wonder? Not one person here can ever claim to know what happened that day as you seem to keep doing.. to have all the truth and facts on the matter. It's all just hearsay and he-said she-said . To say any different is simply a lie. And I thought we were all here because we don't like lies? Judges, courts and jurors also are no guarantee of the truth either as the history of unsafe convictions and bad judgements, imprisonments and the executions of innocents in the US testify.To also simply write Taylor off with the "he was on drugs" when the analysis showed that there was but a small trace of marijuana in his blood is just a bit ignorant. You sound like an elder now. No disrespect and I'm not sure if it's your intention but do you realise that your coming across as quite hostile, narrow, aggressive and somewhat racist yourself? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b7gkFCP4f54
That man is lyiing... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dVbTFIA5jZs
Zimmerman was it seems actually out looking for toruble.
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Don't ever....ever...EVER forget these came from the FDS and Governing Body
by Terry inwe do well to bear in mind that among the drugs, serums, vaccines, surgical operations, etc., of the medical profession, there is nothing of value save an occasional surgical proceedure.
their so-called "science" grew out of egyptian black magic and has not lost its demonological character.... we shall be in a sad plight when we place the welfare of the race in their hands.
[1] 1. the golden age, aug. 5, 1931, p. 727.. the journal of the a. m. a. is the vilest sheet that passes the united states mail.... nothing new and useful in theraputics escapes its unqualified condemnation.
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The Golden Age 1927 Oct 5 p.10
"In the future man will get his food directly from the sun."
The Golden Age 1926 June 16 p.583
"God [may soon cause] a comet [to be] captured by the Earth.. [to] bring about a radical change in earth's climatic conditions and transform the surface of our planet into a paradise, wherein disease and death will be no more."
The Golden Age 1926 Apr 7 p.438
"Tonsillectomy is called a minor operation. If so, getting well is a double major. If any overzealous doctor condemns your tonsils go and commit suicide with a case-knife. It's cheaper and less painful."
The Golden Age, Feb. 10, 1926, p.310
"Air baths are good for preventing colds... What you do is strip naked mornings and evenings and then bob up and down for a while."
The Golden Age, Jan. 1, 1923 p.214
"But the dog-rabies-vaccine imposition is the latest.... Rabies! When it has been shown conclusively that there is no such thing as rabies"
The Golden Age, Nov. 28, 1928, p. 133
"All human ailments have their start in the intestines."
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DID YOU KNOW the latest Brooklyn sell-offs will take total Watchtower earnings to $804 MILLION since 2004?
by cedars inhi folks.
i apologize if this is old news to some, but it's news to me.. i stumbled on a comprehensive list of all the sold properties on wikipedia on this link... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/watch_tower_bible_and_tract_society_of_pennsylvania#brooklyn_property_sales.
it's just a mind-boggling amount of money, and useful information to have handy when talking to witness relatives.
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Just curious Cedars... do you check your private messages?
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Website with known apostates listed
by besty inhilarious - made my day.
who could forget senior pu?.
https://sites.google.com/site/silence1492/facebook-youtube.
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They themselves by even having that site are disobeying the org and rebelling against Jehovah.
Quote:
"Any website that is not the official website of Jehovah's Witnesses should not be trusted even if they look to be OK. The Organisation of Jehovah's Witnesses ask brothers not to have their own websites so if they don't, they are actually rebelling against Jehovah."
https://sites.google.com/site/silence1492/Facebook-Youtube/Apostate-Websites
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really cool video
by Hortensia inhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=xgk84poeynk.
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It does not seem as though he mentions the Org by name but looking at what he wrote it's kind of unmistakable as to whom he is referring.
Sagan wrote:
Broca's Brain by Carl Sagan, Ballantine Books, New York, 1980, pp. 332-333.
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I found something in Watchtower literature I can agree with.
by Indian Larry ini ran across this excerpt from studies in the scriptures vol iv.
in it russell rails on as to why you should not tie youreself to any organization.
in a way he unknowingly predicts how the watchtower would turn against real "truth seekers" in their own organization, (quite possible the only prediction he ever got correct) and then goes on to show how the deluded witness just can't see how they can have a relationship with christ without a earthly organization.. .
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@ Freedom4rall: I think your right.. I just searched the whole of Volume IV The Day of Vengeance and it does not sem to be from there.
STUDIES IN THE SCRIPTURES
“The Path of the Just is as the Shining Light,
Which Shineth More and More
Unto the Perfect Day.”
SERIES IV
“The Day of Vengeance”
(pre-1912)
“The Battle of Armageddon”
(1912 and later)
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Do you still use Jehovah's name?
by naazira inwhen you pray do you still use the name jehovah.
i still do.
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Personally I am having great difficulty praying at all. After all that I have read and discovered concerning TTATT I am in that difficult and often very confusing position of having to re-evaluate and re-examine everything I have ever been taught and taken as 'truth'. Including God's name.
I no longer know or am certain how to address him. Or if I even have any right to. The Jehovah's Witnesses taught me that I am not His son.. and that Jesus is not my mediator. So that kind of leaves me absolutely nowhere... and with nothing. Spritual limbo I think it's called. That's just how it feels, like I am nothing and nowhere. Alive.. but not quite existing.
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The MYSTERY of the Society's BETH-SHAN secret cult compound
by Terry in1945 black and white photo of beth-shan (now hand colored):.
beth-shan house built in 1939, ten years after beth-sarim on adjacent property.
beth-shan, which means "house of security" in hebrew, was literally a house of security -(cult compound)*- it was accessed by a single dirt road that was guarded and gated.
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Close up of the plaque at Beth Sarim..
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The MYSTERY of the Society's BETH-SHAN secret cult compound
by Terry in1945 black and white photo of beth-shan (now hand colored):.
beth-shan house built in 1939, ten years after beth-sarim on adjacent property.
beth-shan, which means "house of security" in hebrew, was literally a house of security -(cult compound)*- it was accessed by a single dirt road that was guarded and gated.
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This has been put out there for quite a while.. more detailed info here:
http://www.challengemin.org/html%20pages/August2006.htm
Beth-Shan Another Beth-Sarim?
One of the most visible, blatant abuses of Watch Tower power and authority was the purchase and development of prime real estate in San Diego in 1928 for the expected return of biblical heroes such as King David, Abraham and Moses. The leadership was proud of this important preparation for the kingdom of God and informed trusting witnesses that Beth-Sarim was a confirmation of their faith and testimony to Jehovah:
It stands there as a testimony to Jehovah's name; and when the princes do return, and some of them occupy the property, such will be a confirmation of the faith and hope that induced the building of Beth Sarim." - Salvation, J.F. Rutherford, p. 311
While Watch Tower President, "Judge" Joseph F. Rutherford was enjoying the paradise like conditions of San Diego at Beth-Sarim, a secret property was also purchased near Beth-Sarim in 1939 with similar expectations but NEVER discussed in Watch Tower literature. This secret 75 acre prime real estate property was also expected to house the resurrected Moses and other heroes of the faith. The added benefit was since they were expected to return shortly, just prior to Armageddon and worldwide wars, they would have 2 hidden underground bomb shelters protected with 3 feet of concrete overhead and storage provisions for months.
They would be totally self sufficient at Beth-Shan with their own 425 foot well and 10,000 gallon storage tank. Electricity would be provided by a state of the art diesel powered generator and a 4,000 gallon underground tank for diesel fuel. Water was piped to the house and 2 fire hydrants would protect them from fires. The real beauty of such a secure compound is there was plenty of room for the safety of the Watch Tower leadership as well. Perhaps they could bring Abraham and his friends up to speed on the marvels of the 20th century and assist in the preparation of the Kingdom of God.
Beth-Shan is mentioned only ONCE by name in the Watch Tower publication, Consolation, predecessor to the "Awake!" magazine. The context is an article concerning the requested 1 man cemetery plot for Judge Rutherford since the original burial request at Beth-Sarim was denied.
"The judge decided to continue the case so that the new site could be brought before the Planning Commission... the second plot was a proper place for burial.... The Planning Commission, who deliberated for more than two weeks, investigating the site, was haled before the court, and denied the second application for a cemetery.... New location for interment was almost in the center of the property known as Beth-Shan, which is roughly 75 acres of canyon and mesa land, adjoining Beth-Sarim but separated by a half-mile width of canyon." (May 27, 1942 Consolation, p. 9)
The immediate personal use of this home and facilities in mild weather San Diego would be immediately available to Rutherford. However, the deed to the property makes it appear this was for the noble reason of providing a haven for the arrival of faithful men and women of old as Abraham, Moses, Rahab, and Sarah. A portion of the deed of trust reads as follows:
NOW THEREFORE this trust is created and the said trustee shall hold the title to said property in trust for the use and benefit of the following named persons, whose names appear in the Bible at the Book of Hebrews, chapter eleven, verses one to forty, to wit: Abel, Enoch, Noah, Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Sarah, Joseph, Moses, Rahab, Gideon, Barak, Samson, Jephthae, David, Samuel. Until such time as the aforementioned persons return and identify themselves to the legal representatives of the said WATCH TOWER BIBLE & TRACT SOCIETY and by the consent of said Society take possession and control of said premises, the President of the WATCH TOWER BIBLE & TRACT SOCIETY shall have the right and be duty bound to direct the management and use of said premises…"
Unlike Beth-Sarim, this facility would be far more secure from the predicted coming of Armageddon. 2 bomb shelters, a diesel powered generator with a 4,000 gallon underground tank for diesel fuel, and 10,000 gallons of water storage with 2 fire hydrants.
It wasn't long before rumors among witnesses began to be spread about this haven of security, which apparently prompted a rather vague response from the Watch Tower leadership:
"Some unreliable person is responsible for the circulation of a report that Beth-Sarim is being enlarged as a place of security and that this is being built by the Society. There is absolutely not one word of truth in the report. Those who are interested in the Theocracy would better be circulating the kingdom message rather than false imaginations of others."(The Watchtower, June 1, 1940, p. 162)
Perhaps the leadership felt justified in stating "Beth-Sarim" was not being enlarged as a place of security, but the fact is the nearby Watch Tower property Beth-Shan certainly was.
No doubt Rutherford believed his wild speculation about the nearness of Armageddon and was preparing this haven of safety from the soon to be experienced explosions and poison he predicted years earlier:
… the next war will be…an annihilation! There will be poison and explosion everywhere, beneath the whole canopy of the heavens… (Golden Age, June 2, 1926, p. 55)
Author and researcher, Edward Gruss, interviewed Fred Eason, a eye witness to the goat barn bomb shelter. Fred Eason said he saw the underground shelter shortly after it's sale in 1945. He described the underground shelter with its secret entrance as a:
"...building that was called the 'goat barn' which was used to stable their goats. To enter the shelter one would go to the small bathroom area at the rear of the building, open the medicine cabinet, and pull a concealed lever inside. A section of the wall would swing open, revealing a star way down into what can only be identified as a bomb shelter--a room about 30 feet x 15 feet, with a 10 foot high ceiling. The walls were lined with storage shelves. The cement ceiling of the room was 3 feet thick!" (interview with Fred Eason as documented in "Jehovah's Witnesses Their Monuments to False Prophecy, Edmond Gruss, p. 75)
The building at upper right is the main Beth-Shan residence. The arrow points to the “goat barn” which had the secret bomb shelter (as did the main residence). Photo taken after the sale of Beth-Shan 1945.
(photo courtesey of Edmund Gruss)
1963 Aerial photo of Beth-Shan. Extensive grading on the property
revealed the hidden “goat barn” bomb shelter (arrow).
(photo courtesy of Edmond Gruss)Not only did the princes NOT return to claim the estate as prophesied by Rutherford, but the Society simply ignored the promised trust to the princes and quietly sold the property soon after Rutherfords death.
This is powerful evidence that the "Watch Tower Bible and Tract Society" is NOT God's mouthpiece for truth and is simply a man made religious system.
